LAWRENCE — For Kansas coach Bill Self, the differences are subtle and come straight from the chalkboard. Frank Martin’s teams liked to guard ball screens a certain way; Bruce Weber does it differently. Weber’s teams play a brand of motion offense; Martin’s always seemed to be changing and evolving.
University of Kansas
Jayhawks could benefit from a healthy dose of rivalry
January 21
By RUSTIN DODD
The Kansas City Star
This is what Self talks about when asked how Kansas State is different, now that Weber has replaced Martin on the sideline at Bramlage Coliseum. These are the things that Self, presumably, was focused on when he skipped out on Monday’s presidential inauguration and hunkered down in the film room.
From an outsider’s perspective, though, Tuesday’s matchup between No. 3 Kansas and No. 11 Kansas State in Manhattan features a few other large-scale changes. As a new chapter in the Sunflower Showdown begins, Self and Weber will meet for the first time in the series. And with former rival Missouri out of the picture, Kansas will have to make do with what’s left. In other words, if the Jayhawks want to be tested in hostile territory, an angry and deafening Bramlage Coliseum will have to do.
“I think on both sides of the Missouri rivalry, there was a lot of hatred that was involved,” Self said. “We obviously didn’t like them, and the feeling was very mutual.
“I never felt that way against K-State. I don’t know why … but I never did.”
Self believes this will soon begin to change, a healthy byproduct of more emotion thrown into one rival. And it leads to the question: If this is KU’s only remaining natural rival, are the Jayhawks better off playing against a K-State program that can put up a fight on an annual basis?
While K-State climbed to No. 11 in Monday’s Associated Press poll and is positioned well for a Big 12 run, there are still a few numbers that underline this series. For one, even as K-State improved under Martin and now Weber, the Jayhawks have won 44 of 47 basketball games in this series, dating back to 1994.
“I would much rather play a K-State team that’s ranked high,” Self said, “than … play a K-State team that isn’t ranked.”
After all, Kansas may be 16-1 and 4-0 in the Big 12, but the Jayhawks could use a trip into a sea of juiced-up purple against a K-State team that has started 15-2 and 4-0 in the Big 12. For KU, the last month has been mostly forgettable. The Jayhawks needed late comebacks to down Iowa State and Texas, and victories against Texas Tech and Baylor were a little more laborious than expected.
That makes Tuesday’s game all the more compelling. The winner will own the only perfect record in Big 12 play, and Kansas can take early control of the league race with a road victory. It’s also not altogether certain the next time Kansas will play in a road environment as wild as Bramlage.
“We tell the freshman how crazy it’s gonna be, and to just not let the fans get to you,” KU senior Travis Releford said. “It’s gonna be the next-best environment to ours. So be expecting all types of crazy chants.”
On Monday, Self echoed that sentiment. And K-State’s strong start — as well as the addition of Weber — should make for another raucous road test.
There is, of course, the old story about Weber and Self — the one that just won’t seem to die — in which Weber held a mock funeral for Self at Illinois after taking over in Champagne in 2003. For Self, that stuff is ancient history. But he did acknowledge it on Monday, saying it’s tough to take over a program and not say stuff that might be perceived as a slight to the old regime.
“I know I probably did it with Roy (Williams),” Self said. “That stuff happens. It’s hard to stand up and fight for what you know you need to do, and still … not potentially step on a toe here and there.”
To clear things up: Self and Weber may not be fast friends — as Self and Martin always seemed to be — but there’s hardly any ill will or hard feelings. Then again, rivalries have a way of shaping relationships. And the next era of a rivalry begins on Tuesday night.
“I think this will turn a little bit to become more heated as we move forward because we don’t have the Tigers around,” Self said, “And they don’t have the Tigers around. I think it’s very healthy. I think it’s good to have somebody in your league that your fans look forward to playing.”
To reach Rustin Dodd, send email to rdodd@kcstar.com. Follow him at Twitter.com/rustindodd.




